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What should I choose between Sydenham PGDBM and K J Somaiya MMS?
Having known some students of both these colleges, I can say that both the colleges are really good in terms of infrastructure, culture, and faculties. There are of course some differences too and for that let me share with you a few details.
- K J Somaiya has better infrastructure and the campus is located at the heart of the city. SIMSREE doesn't have such a big infrastructure.
- SIMSREE has a better ROI than K J Somaiya.
- Placement usually depends on your profile and how you perform in your management education & certainly performance in interviews.
- Professors, peers both are good in both colleges.
- At SIMSREE, the finance course is much better as there are several guest lecturers visiting from JBIMS.
- Both SIMSREE and K J Somaiya’s program in MMS is Mumbai University affiliated. Its degree is acceptable for several government jobs as well.
| Categories | MMS at SIMSREE | MMS at K J Somaiya |
| Course Fee | 1.36 lakh | 3.24 lakh |
| Highest CTC | 20 LPA | - |
| Average CTC | 12 LPA | 8-9 LPA |
| Recruiting Companies | American Express, Barclays, ITC, KPMG, etc. | Amazon, HUL, Deutsche Bank, Wipro, etc. |
It must be noted that PGDBM is not offered at SIMSREE rather the institute also offers MMS in affiliation with Mumbai University.
Also, while choosing between MMS at Sydenham and K J Somaiya, it is suggested that you talk to alumni of both colleges, which would definitely give you a clear idea.
How good is SIMSREE K J Somaiya for an MBA in operations? How are the recruiters and what roles are offered?
Having to know some people studying at both Simsree and K J Somaiya and here are some things that you should know. They both are equally good.
- Both the institutes, for their MMS course, teach the same syllabus specified by the University of Mumbai. So, according to the content, there is no difference.
- This is generally a good thing that you are specializing in something that roughly 4 to 5% of the batch will specialize in.
- It is not as difficult for the placement committee to get companies with specific profiles.
- The institutes have been there for a fairly long time and both have a steady pool of recruiters. Therefore, placements are not very problematic.
- Having said that, placements depend on multiple factors, and nothing can be guaranteed.
- K J Somaiya has more full-time faculty members whereas SIMSREE has more visiting faculty members. But cannot say the same about the operations specialization.
Irrespective of where you go, your responsibility is to get better, participate in competitions, do certifications, and improve yourself holistically. The institute cannot impose anything if you have no intention of doing it.
Why is SIMSREE rated behind KJ Somaiya and Welingkar by some sites?
SIMSREE is ranked differently on various websites. You do not have to follow these rankings. Both institutions are equally good.
- Cut-offs of SIMSREE are greater than K. J. Somaiya Institute of Management.
- The infrastructure and facilities of the K. J. Somaiya Institute of Management is better than SIMSREE.
- Both the institutes have top students and faculty is also good as JBIMS professors also visit SIMSREE. This makes it better than Somaiya.
- The course you are choosing also depends on the college.
One of my friends is studying at SIMSREE and said its MMS program is better than Somaiya. For PG, Somaiya is better because of its diversity.
Therefore, college rankings are not always correct. SIMSREE is still better than most of the Management institutes that provide quality education to students.
What are the college timings for an MMS course at JBIMS and Sydenham?
Any typical day at JBIMS depends on your workload and the ongoing semester. The duration of lectures is 3 hours with a small break. The lectures take place in the following shifts
- 7 am-10 am
- 2 pm-5 pm
- 6:30 pm-9 pm
There might be one, two, or three lectures depending on your course. Another set of events that constitute a major part of your day is committee-related events like competitions. Apart from that you are always busy preparing for your presentations and assignments. Attending guest lectures is mandatory and no one can evade them.
The first semester is the busiest as it’s packed with induction, committee election, summer placements, and lectures. You won’t be able to sleep more than 4-5 hours a day and then soon adapt to the strenuous college life.
Is the difference between JBIMS and Sydenham that much?
There is a difference between JBIMS and Sydenham, and it is important to understand it from different viewpoints.
Regarding student admission, the process is the same every year. If someone scores 99.9 or above, they will be admitted to JBIMS, while someone with a score of 99.8 will be admitted to Sydenham. The difference between 99.8 and 99.9 in terms of ability and aptitude is negligible, with only a few more questions answered correctly on a particular day making the difference. Thus, the difference between the top students of JBIMS and the top students of Sydenham is barely perceptible.
JBIMS has been consistently ranked among the top institutions for a long time and is likely to maintain this position. It is not likely that Sydenham will surpass JBIMS in the rankings. If JBIMS leaves the CET centralized process, Sydenham will become the top institute purely through CET.
There is a difference in the environment between the two institutions. JBIMS stands out from other MMS-offering institutes due to the work its alumni have done in the industry and the fact that some of its professors only teach at JBIMS. This may be the reason why 4-5 students from SIMSREE take the CET again each year to try for admission to JBIMS.
It is important to consider whether the tag of the institution will define you. The tag of the institution only matters for a few years, providing a head-start, but it is what you do with it in the entire career that depends on you. It is recommended to identify yourself within two years and strive to be better than the crowd, academically and in terms of internships and certifications.
If there is even 1% doubt that you cannot make it in the next admission attempt, it is advisable to evaluate your current situation, your goals, and how JBIMS or Sydenham fits into your plan.
How is the crowd at NMIMS Mumbai vs that at SIMSREE?
When considering MBA colleges in India, Sydenham (SIMSREE) should definitely be on your list. It is one of the most underrated colleges and has several advantages over more popular colleges like NMIMS.
First, let's look at the ROI. Sydenham has a median CTC above 10 LPA and the total course fee is only 1.4 lakhs. This makes it a great investment, especially since it's the only government institute in Maharashtra that offers an MBA. And for category students, there is almost no course fee!
Next, the faculty at Sydenham is amazing. You will be taught by some of the best in the industry, including one of the Directors of RBI, the President of Finance, GM Strategy, and GM Retail of many MNCs. These are the core faculty at Sydenham.
The illustrious alumni of Sydenham are another advantage. Founders of BookmyShow, CEOs of Raymond, Citi Malaysia, Chief South Business, Disney, Head Operations Lamborghini India, and many more have done an MBA from Sydenham.
One thing that sets Sydenham apart is its student-driven culture. The college is of the students, by the students, and for the students. Students are involved in the administration of the college and events, which gives you hands-on experience in managing an institute before actually starting a corporate job.
Finally, the location of Sydenham is excellent. It is located at Churchgate, in the heart of the financial capital Mumbai. This gives you immense exposure to guest lectures, which is very critical. Also, for non-Mumbai students, you can be at Marine Drive whenever you want by paying negligible fees at the Government College's Hostel.
In conclusion, if you're looking for an MBA college in India, you should definitely consider Sydenham. It has great ROI, amazing faculty, illustrious alumni, a student-driven culture, and an excellent location.
What is the objective of admitting freshers in Ivy B-Schools like IIMs, FMS, JBIMS, SIMSREE, SPJIMR, XLRI, etc.?
MBA admission in Indian B Schools is a fairly weird process in comparison to that of foreign B Schools. In India, the admission process requires a candidate to have some work experience and in certain B-schools, it even carries a certain weightage. But during Final Placements, this scenario changes entirely as the recruiters prefer freshers over experienced candidates. The major reasons for this contrast are:
- The recruiters offering Marketing roles are on the lookout for candidates who can initially go through a sales job for a few years. They believe that the route to Marketing is through sales only. Now Sales requires a lot of traveling that too to rural areas. The recruiters know that these tough job conditions cannot be undertaken by Experienced professionals and thus prefer freshers who they can mold easily.
- The companies offering Finance roles know that the candidates with prior work experience won’t be working for the long hours they require them to. So they prefer freshers who can work long hours without complaining.
Recruiters are looking for candidates with work experience of not more than 11-12 months. Honestly, this strategy is illogical as a person with more work experience is bound to excel much better than a fresher, and restricting him from getting a job just because they cannot be exploited to the fullest extent is a bit cruel.
The scenario is pretty much the opposite in foreign countries that prefer MBA candidates with work experience only. This is because in India MBA is considered a way to become more employable or earn a fatter cheque. Whereas in the West, it is a means to upgrade your career and take it to new heights. The entire concept of MBA is at fault in India thereby this illogical strategy.
In my opinion, MBA candidates should have a work experience of at least 1 year, only then they can harness the MBA program to the fullest and not approach it just as a source of placements.
What problems will I face during placement at JBIMS and SIMSREE if I have less than 60 in 12th? Will I remain jobless?
Not having your 12th standard marks listed on your resume may result in missing out on some companies that have a graduation/12th standard percentage as part of their screening criteria. However, there are not many companies that consider this as a criterion.
Not having your 12th standard marks listed on your resume will not render you jobless.
A requirement for past academic records is only used for initial screening purposes by some companies. The companies that move forward with you for subsequent rounds of evaluations, such as group discussions and personal interviews, evaluate you based on your performance in these rounds.
It is important to note that if a company does not choose you, despite your excellent performance in the interviews, simply because of your previous academic records, it is the company that misses out, not you.
Why is JBIMS better than SIMSREE despite both having almost the same quality of students?
As a potential student, you should be aware of the establishment years of the preferred institutes in Mumbai. The following are the establishment years of the institutes in Mumbai:
- Jamnalal Bajaj Institute of Management Studies - 1965
- WE School - 1977
- S. P. Jain Institute of Management and Research - 1981
- K. J. Somaiya Institute of Management Studies and Research - 1981
- Narsee Monjee Institute of Management Studies - 1981
- Shailesh J. Mehta School of Management - 1995
It is important to note that this list only includes pure B-schools and excludes TISS for Social Sciences (1936) and NITIE for Industrial Engineering (1963).
Establishment year is not necessarily an indicator of the worth or popularity of an institute, as demonstrated by the relatively young Indian School of Business (ISB) which has gained a strong reputation in just 22 years. However, a longer establishment period can provide an institute with a head start, a larger alumni base, and increased brand awareness.
In terms of the admission process, the establishment year of an institute is not a determining factor. This year, the process was the same for all institutes, with students admitted based on their score on the Common Entrance Test (CET). A score of 99.85+ would generally get you into JBIMS, while a score of 99.8 might result in admission to Sydenham. The difference between these scores is negligible and does not necessarily indicate a difference in ability or aptitude.
JBIMS has maintained a strong ranking for a long time and is expected to continue to do so in the future. It is unlikely that Sydenham will surpass JBIMS in terms of ranking. However, if JBIMS were to move away from the CET centralized process, Sydenham would likely become the top institute based on CET scores alone.
There are some differences in the environment and atmosphere at JBIMS versus other MMS offering institutes. JBIMS has a unique reputation, which is partially due to the work of its alumni in the industry, and partially due to the fact that some professors only teach at JBIMS and do not teach at other institutes. As a result, each year, several students from SIMSREE take the CET again in an attempt to get into JBIMS.
Ultimately, what matters most is what you do with your admission to an institute, rather than the institute itself. Getting into JBIMS and not performing well in life is not meaningful. Instead, you should focus on identifying yourself within two years and becoming better than the crowd, regardless of the institute you attend. Whether at JBIMS or Sydenham, you can strive to be at the top of your academic game, take on internships, and pursue certifications to enhance your career prospects. The tag of your institute may matter for a few years, but it is ultimately up to you to make the most of your corporate career.
What are the chances of a non- Maharashtra student of getting SIMSREE, KJSIMR, Welingkar and PUMBA?
Quite good and honestly, most non-Maharastra students tend to not take admissions beyond these 5–6 colleges. You may have to score in the range of 98%ile to 99.9 to get into some of these colleges.
There are fair chances of Non - Maharashtra students of getting the above-mentioned colleges under All India Category seats as per DTE Maharashtra for MS and PGDM programs. In colleges such as SIMSREE & PUMBA, more seats are reserved for students from Maharashtra as compared to seats for students from the All India category. You can refer to the DTE Maharashtra website for more information.
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